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proton 3.16-6 vs native

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[ 2019-02-13 13:35:47Z ]👍 0

Wowie

[ 2019-02-13 13:53:40Z ]👍 0

You should add vs Windows 10 as well if possible so we can see comparison between Proton/DXVK and Windows 10.

[ 2019-05-17 21:41:45Z ] 👍 0

That wasn't really the point of the video - other people have videos of that on Youtube. This is for those interested in seeing how it fares on the same platform with two different methods of playing.

[ 2019-02-13 13:56:54Z ] 👍 2

sadly/luckily no windows on my system, so someone else has to do that.

[ 2019-02-13 14:03:57Z ]👍 1

Amazing!

[ 2019-02-13 14:12:32Z ]👍 3

on radeon side: you are lucky if native one even starts

[ 2019-03-30 17:24:40Z ] 👍 0

tried it on my amd laptop and it didn't work. the pcgamingwiki has an entry on how to fix it, you just need to download a file and drop it into the install folder. fixed it for me.

[ 2019-02-13 14:16:55Z ]👍 3

Thank you so much, but you have no comparison with Windows 10, and this is the most important thing.

[ 2019-05-02 18:22:31Z ] 👍 1

@ARTOFMUSIC its not that piss poor, back in the days when it was released for linux, there weren't many options. OpenGL probably is one of the issues and other thing is that there were just 2 inexperienced linux guys who did all the work, so i wouldnt call it total piss poor. it was acceptable back in those days. But nowadays we demand much more :)

[ 2019-02-13 14:24:08Z ] 👍 2

I don't have Windows, true, but generaly expect 10-15% more performance there. with rare cases where the performance can match or be a lot worse. This Benchmark was to compare the native version we have to the option to use windows version via proton.

[ 2019-02-13 14:58:44Z ]👍 0

Some very interesting results!

[ 2019-02-13 16:56:47Z ]👍 1

So the frame rate is much better, is there any hitching/stuttering from shader compilation on proton? I hope the developers are taking notice and change to vulkan for the next game.

[ 2019-02-13 17:04:51Z ] 👍 1

no hitching, its essentially just install, play, tested 3 spots for fps with recording on and off to see how much impact recording does and then just ran it. no huge stutters

[ 2019-02-13 17:21:05Z ]👍 0

Native looks a lot better in terms of image quality and realism though (check the colors). Not worth sacrificing 60+ fps though...

[ 2019-02-16 08:54:42Z ] 👍 0

airspeedmph pls make a witcher 2 proton vs native.

[ 2019-02-14 02:44:53Z ] 👍 1

@@xpander69 Yes, CA is indeed disabled and doesn't show on the videos (at least I don't see it anywhere), yet the difference in tint is still there on the DXVK side, for whatever reason. As for perf, yes, too bad Vulkan wasn't around when they ported the game. The difference is significant.

[ 2019-02-13 23:58:32Z ] 👍 0

uhh but i dont see those ugly colored outlines on trees and buildings, like there are when CA is enabled. Its bizarre, anyway the point still is valid, perf sucks on native one compared to proton

[ 2019-02-13 21:45:03Z ] 👍 1

@@xpander69 There is a difference though (apart from the time of day), the DXVK side has that green-yellowish effect (forgot how is called). On the Linux port that green/yellow tint seems to be tied to the CA settings, but you have CA disabled on both versions, so not sure why is present only on the DXVK side.

[ 2019-02-13 17:32:49Z ] 👍 8

No it does not. It looks same. The difference is the time of the day only. cause i had to run to the same spot to start doing same run and the time of the day changed

[ 2019-02-13 20:44:30Z ]👍 11

lol. this is shameful. we should thanks valve

[ 2019-02-13 21:51:47Z ]👍 1

that notory dowgrade graphics in windows dx11 the graphics in linux is realist.

[ 2019-02-24 18:47:19Z ] 👍 0

@@xpander69 I agree, the graph is the same. This proves how opengl sucks the dxvk running through wine has practically double the performance of the native version of línux, this game is the version of línux, and I downloaded the version of windows, and I just abandoned the version of this games. only play the windows version. in tomb raider 2013 de línux is even worse. the difference is more than 30 frames of improvement with the dxvk without any drop. already the native version of línux has 30 frames less and has moments that the game drops to 30 fps really opengl is very bad.

[ 2019-02-13 22:43:42Z ] 👍 2

no, its different time of the day, you can see it where the shadows and sun is. I had to run to the same spot on both times but the time of the day was different.

[ 2019-02-14 00:34:40Z ]👍 1

Well as we can see proton is better using dx to vulkan, than dx to opengl, as far I remember this port was one of the 1st one that didn' make by feral or aspyr was one at the same company by two guys. So far is better proton, it will be nice if they can port it to vulkan but I don't think so.

[ 2019-02-14 09:04:16Z ] 👍 0

yeah it was day one and done by 2 guys. its wasn't too bad back then. But yeah that just kinda shows how much more optimized dx11 is in games

[ 2019-02-14 01:49:55Z ]👍 6

thx amd and valve and doitsujin

[ 2019-02-14 16:52:30Z ] 👍 1

and me

[ 2019-02-14 16:52:53Z ]👍 1

who made dat faking port????

[ 2019-02-15 10:04:55Z ] 👍 2

yeah well this port was done by 2 guys iirc and it was way way back when vulkan wasn't a thing, so yeah, that just shows kind of how bad opengl was optimized compared to dx11

[ 2019-02-16 08:55:02Z ]👍 3

Thx.Please more videos!

[ 2019-02-18 17:03:07Z ] 👍 0

Will do, as my time allows :)

[ 2019-02-19 22:00:49Z ]👍 32

>When native is worse than proton Can't believe we came this far.

[ 2024-06-02 20:45:55Z ] 👍 1

Apparently they only had like 2 people working on the OpenGL version of Dying Light.

[ 2021-10-18 16:56:56Z ] 👍 0

@@guzetav I don't think vulkan was a thing when this game got ported.

[ 2020-08-16 23:24:51Z ] 👍 1

It means bad port for Linux

[ 2019-05-04 12:45:03Z ]👍 0

Native has so much details, that proton does not. Especially at last scene with sun light through trees.

[ 2019-05-04 14:32:42Z ] 👍 3

it doesn't change the fact about performance difference. and they look the same during the same time. Go and run it yourself, you will see. I just couldnt match exact same time of the day because i had to run to the same spot both of the times and missed some time on one or other.

[ 2019-07-20 19:27:25Z ]👍 0

Wtf!!! why proton is better that native .-.

[ 2019-09-05 15:39:29Z ]👍 0

Hey I know this is an old video but in your testing did you experience any noticeable input lag while using proton? I play rocket league competitively and I really want to switch to rocket league on d9vk but it just feels like it has the slightest bit of input lag, but it may just be me thinking that. Have you experienced this too?

[ 2020-03-31 13:43:40Z ] 👍 0

For me, yes. Proton does have some input lag, but it can be solved with a custom kernel. You can choose between Liquorix (my option), Xanmod, or Zen. Each has their own advantages, but I choose Liquorix because it does help delayed I/O.

[ 2019-09-05 16:22:57Z ] 👍 0

Xpander69 ok thanks for the response! It still feels really good and might be in my head. I’m going to keep trying other distros and DEs. Also try to disable compositing and mouse acceleration

[ 2019-09-05 15:56:39Z ] 👍 0

Can't remember having issue with that. I have 1000hz polling rate mouse with acceleration disabled on my distro, then again there still might be some difference as wine might do something with it, but personally i havent noticed the difference.

[ 2019-09-05 15:40:04Z ] 👍 0

And obviously proton is a way better version now but still

[ 2020-01-05 03:42:12Z ]👍 0

I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 with 5.4.0-8.1-liquorix-amd64 kernel (fsync enabled), proton 4.11-11. Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz. 8GB RAM. NVidia GTX980. With this config the game runs buttery smooth compared to native version. LOL

[ 2020-02-18 13:50:07Z ]👍 0

The question is can we play coop or mp with proton

[ 2020-02-18 13:54:19Z ] 👍 1

yes you can. unless something has changed within last month

[ 2020-02-22 04:53:51Z ]👍 0

It's weird, for me Linux native is 106 fps , proton is 60 fps. the screenshots are at the links below. Linux: https://upload.cc/i1/2020/02/22/ClDZS7.png Proton: https://upload.cc/i1/2020/02/22/EaJhne.jpg

[ 2020-09-28 18:07:03Z ] 👍 0

PROTON_NO_ESYNC=1 add in lauch option and try again

[ 2020-09-10 19:49:14Z ]👍 1

On RTX 2060 Super, with native port, in most area I got more then 150FPS. Thats enough for me, so never tried Proton version.

[ 2020-09-10 23:13:15Z ] 👍 1

It might have improved since recording this video. Drivers have gotten fair bit of updates also. Great to hear though.

[ 2021-07-31 06:03:16Z ]👍 0

I am curious, why proton is better than the native :/

[ 2021-07-31 09:10:39Z ] 👍 0

native is older port, uses opengl. Not very optimized. proton uses directx to vulkan translation and yields better results as the directx11 renderer was probably more optimized than opengl and on top of that vulkan is low level API, which allows to tweak it even more i guess.

[ 2021-10-07 14:25:25Z ]👍 2

I am redownloading this through proton on Steam right now! Can confirm that similar FPS drops to 40s is still happening on the native version. I have found similar issues with Tomb Raider (2013)! On the plus side, as others have noted here, it's amazing to see how far this proton thing has come! Good times ahead!

[ 2021-10-07 14:29:09Z ] 👍 0

Yeah its pretty much happening with most OpenGL games where theres a lot of Crowd/AI on the screen to calculate. its all CPU Bottlenecked with just few threads being used.

[ 2022-10-31 18:43:38Z ]👍 0

what do you mean of native? meaning runing on windows or runing the version released for linux?

[ 2022-11-01 13:59:54Z ] 👍 0

@@xpander69 thanks for answering

[ 2022-10-31 23:01:01Z ] 👍 0

You found a super old video :) But yeah native is Linux native version of the game, which uses OpenGL.

[ 2024-07-24 13:57:58Z ]👍 0

Damn. I just started playing and got crash to desktop 1 hour in on native. Doesn't happen on Proton. For some reason I hate it when Proton version outperforms the native build.

[ 2024-07-29 06:18:17Z ] 👍 1

That happens a lot. since linux userbase is tiny, nobody really optimized the opengl much i guess. Most bigger game releases were like that on linux. Native almost always performs worse than with proton with very few exceptions.

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